[personal profile] winterlion
seeing as this comes up occasionally all I have to add is this:
- my little brother is gay. I have bias.
- There is significant evidence that it's biological. Specific causes vary - there seems to be a genetic key and a key in initial brain (and hormonal system) growth. There's also some other stuff that's still being studied... so expect more.
- I've known gay rabbits and seen it (or signs anyway) in a bunch of critters. It's "natural" whatever some yokel wants to say otherwise about it.

In many ways I don't consider this any different than the choice to be heterosexual. I wait patiently for countries to come to grips with this and stop making into second class (or even criminals) people who aren't heterosexual.

It's come up a lot - and will probably continue to do so. Our societies allow for far more individual freedom than many even fairly recently in the past. We don't have social restrictions, doctrinal restrictions nor government restrictions artificially restricting what people can do - for the most part - anymore. At least as long as it doesn't harm others. It may be yet a while - there is still a long ways to go before individual people have recovered our agency.

I could easily be wrong in some of this. But I feel better for writing it.

Date: 2008-11-11 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anaiya.livejournal.com
My little sister is gay. And I couldn't have said any of that better myself.

Date: 2008-11-11 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
Thank you :)

Date: 2008-11-11 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrey-sucks.livejournal.com
I'm sure that gay people don't choose to be gay, just as I don't choose to be heterosexual. Actually, if I had a choice, right now I would be gay or bi. But alas, I'm heterosexual, which really sucks, what with my options in this city!

At least as long as it doesn't harm others.

Anything is OK with me, as long as it doesn't harm others. That's the key.
Edited Date: 2008-11-11 12:42 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-11-11 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
yes - exactly. This certainly is an odd city, isn't it?

and yeah, that is the key, isn't it.

Date: 2008-11-11 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrey-sucks.livejournal.com
"Odd" isn't exactly the word I'd choose...

Date: 2008-11-11 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrey-sucks.livejournal.com
Stupid, retarded, frustrating, unfriendly, rude, inconsiderate, oblivious...those are just some of the words I would use to describe the city.

Date: 2008-11-11 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
I think "oblivious, inconsiderate, unfriendly" apply to a lot of cities - more the first two than the third...

but there does seem to be rather more "inconsiderate" here than most places I've been.
(and - agree with the other words of course!)

Aha!

Date: 2008-11-11 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrey-sucks.livejournal.com
I think I figured out why there are a lot of gays in this city--because it is impossible to meet a decent person of the opposite sex, if you wing that way.

Date: 2008-11-11 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
Lunatic? Bizarre? Stoned? (*sigh*) (more like - split)

Date: 2008-11-11 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hislittlekitty.livejournal.com
I found the whole prop 8 stupid, and H brought up the point of "since when do we vote about giving people rights?"



Date: 2008-11-11 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
or vote on taking rights away... *sigh*

Date: 2008-11-11 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dagnabitt.livejournal.com
that's how I felt. "a vote about TAKING AWAY rights?" ... and it's not even about raising the legal age for drinking, voting, joining the army, or driving.

gah.

Date: 2008-11-11 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrey-sucks.livejournal.com
I don't get it!

Gay marriage was OK'd in California, right? So why this Prop 8 thing? I'm not very political, so maybe that's why I don't get it...

Date: 2008-11-11 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evergrey.livejournal.com
My horse? He has a boyfriend.
There are also gay cattle.

Date: 2008-11-11 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
I'm completely unsurprised!

Date: 2008-11-11 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] die-uberfrau.livejournal.com
Dolphins are gay! Bonobos, too!

Personally, I find there is a wide spectrum of sexual behavior. I rate about a Kinsey 3, and have known I go both ways since I was a teenager. While I am in a "hetero" relationship, I could have just as easily settled down with a woman, and yeah... I just think if it's between consenting adults, and isn't hurting anyone, it's all good.

Date: 2008-11-11 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrey-sucks.livejournal.com
Sometimes I wonder if my cat is gay.

you seen this?

Date: 2008-11-11 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dagnabitt.livejournal.com
Father Geoff Farrow's blog

http://fathergeofffarrow.blogspot.com/

insightful. wish the Church would allow priests like him to stay a part of it.

Re: you seen this?

Date: 2008-11-11 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
oh I see.
yes - they too need to study their own history and realize they used to handle situations like this better....

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