[personal profile] winterlion
For the most part I have a great deal of respect for religion of all types - when one has faith. This does include atheism - which under some conditions could be considered a religion (when it's a formalized set of beliefs with a specific structure).
There's so many shades of atheism though and ... since I'm not - it's not really up to me to know the differences ;)

Every group (pretty much) has it's wackos. these nasties (*yay* for penalty!) for instance are the kind who shriek "help help - I'm being oppressed" when they're not allowed to server their homegrown hatred and bile. My own people has their own nasties (such as parodied on "The Wall")... we don't talk about them much.

Even though the wackos exist - there's no call for attacking someone else's religion.

People are fine targets though - as are individual groups of wackos. I'm sorry - but being rude makes one fair game.
Corollary: do not assume something that targets an individual or small subgroup is an attack on everyone. There's been too much sadness already by people being too sensitive.
Second corollary: I'll happily make silly posts about my own beliefs. My beliefs are solid and can handle it - and besides, what is said in good play can in its own way help make a people stronger.
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Date: 2007-11-06 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
In general - most don't. but ... while it's not really proper etiquette - heck ya!
Bad neighbours are always fair targets!
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Date: 2007-11-06 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
Absolutely. People who think their way is Teh Wun Twu Way make for bad neighbours, poor guests and rather unwelcome visitors. *pheh* at them!

Date: 2007-11-06 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metawade.livejournal.com
I really must get back to writing down some of my thoughts about religion, spirituality, atheism, science, and how they can all "just be friends". The rise of fanaticism in the world today is really stressing me out. My new motto is "There is no One Way". New in the sense that I'm really pushing for acceptance of other people's differences, rather than just tolerance. I've realized that my own personal contempt for religions is just fostering an environment of polarization, and am trying to figure out what to do about it.

Date: 2007-11-06 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
May I suggest looking at religions as a perceptual and conceptual map?
Some religions self-identify as describing physical and/or literal truths and existence when they could be closer described as providing a perceptual and/or conceptual map to interpret physical/literal reality.

Look one direction - one can see the God of Abraham. Look another - see the wonderous spirits of air, water, wood and sea. Look another - and see the glorious beauty of trees, mountains, ocean, bird and cloud.

so I really don't believe there's One True Way. I do however see almost unsurmountable communication differences based on some of the most basic and almost subconscious levels of understanding between different people.

Date: 2007-11-06 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] svinfylking.livejournal.com
I would agree that being rude makes one fair game at least for snark. There's limits, though. As much of an a-hole as Fred Phelps is, I wouldn't go protesting his funeral because I have this thing about letting the dead rest no matter what kind of worthless pricks they are.

I also agree that something that targets an individual or subgroup does not attack the entire group.

I admit I do not understand atheism at all, but then Welcome to My World. People are of course entitled to their beliefs or lack thereof but I've found certain atheists (not all) to be especially vile when dealing with anyone of any faith, not just Christians.

Date: 2007-11-06 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
Just 'cause someone else is a freak-boy with horrible manners - doesn't mean that we need to be too :)

Some atheists are fanatics. The louder ones definitely are.... and fanatics aren't reasonable and cannot be reasoned with.

Date: 2007-11-06 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mspixiegirl.livejournal.com
That's horrible! People like that give Christians such a bad name & it seriously drives me bananas! "Thank God for the dead soldier"???????? WTF IS THAT? SERIOUSLY! That is ridiculous. Maybe if these people READ THE BIBLE & LEARNED THAT JUDGING PEOPLE IS UP TO GOD AND NOONE ELSE they would stfu.

Argh LOL sorry T! I just get so disgusted at the human race sometimes - and Christians are not all bad people, but damn some of them are horrible. Guh

Date: 2007-11-06 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
Yeah - exactly. And when anyone calls them on it, they scream oppression.
*grrr*

Date: 2007-11-06 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] songstress1973.livejournal.com
This is the kind of christianity that makes me sad, and ashamed to be a "Christian" in this world... It is no wonder that "people" have such a hate on for Christians and indeed religion in general...
And as the previous poster said, if they only read the Bible, they'd know how wrong they are... If even ONE of them could tell me WHERE in the Bible it says that actions and speech like this is allowed and encouraged, I'll eat my big ass King James Version!!!
Ridonkulous!!!

Date: 2007-11-06 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlion.livejournal.com
These monsters need to be taught how to be good neighbours.
one way or another.

You're a good neigbour :)
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